The locations vary in selection and quality, and I want to say up front I have not visited all the locations. I find the downtown location too difficult to navigate the skinny aisles, lots of people and a parking lot that makes you feel like a contortionist. The other locations offer better parking and selections. When you are buying several cases at a time parking is critical. I find Anthony Gerdt of the the Glen Ellyn location to be the most helpful. The beer manager at North Avenue is also pretty good, and the guy out in Downers Grove knows some obscure brewery reps resulting in some good choices. The South Loop location has a bar which can score you a taste before you buy.
Most chains have a great deal of consistency. Locations are normally similar and so are the policies. However, each Binny's seems to be physically laid out completely different so if you decide to swing into an unfamiliar location it may take a moment to get your bearings. Additionally, and I wrote about this before, Binny's cannot come up with a corporate policy on reserving beer. It completely depends on who you talk to at the store.
One of my biggest issues with Binny's is the complete lack of customer service from a corporate perspective. Yes, they have their stars. Some managers and stock clerks know how to treat a customer, but calling a store with a question will likely yield little help. Ordering a beer for pickup through their website is a mixed bag. The selection is often outdated. I understand if a beer sold out that morning, but often summer beers are listed in the middle of winter as "in stock." Additionally, on more than one occasion I have put together a larger order (5-10) cases and showed up to find several of the beers unavailable at the location I am picking it up from. I always place my orders 7-10 days in advance of my pick-up. Why if they have delivery trucks running around do I need to go to two or three stores to get what I need?
My second major issue with Binny's is if your not talking to the "beer manager" your screwed. The staff often does not know what is on the shelves. Just this week I asked the General Manager at the Skokie store for Hoptimum. She dutifully looked around the store for it, and eventually asked another manager. He said "oh that beer has not been released." It has been released and other stores have already sold out. However, they did suggest Atomium however.
Finally, why is beer treated different than wine? Wine drinkers get case discounts. They also get a rebate of 2% on $500 in wine purchases. This is the most offensive thing about Binny's. Beer moves better than wine. I have been told the North Avenue location can move beer like nowhere else in the Midwest. Why should I be treated differently?
Think I am not fair to them? Then I challenge Binny's to answer in the comments why they cannot get their act together. The questions are:
- What is your reservation policy on beer?
- Why is beer ineligible for a case discount?
- Why can't beer earn points like wine?
1. What is your reservation policy on beer? If the beer is currently in the store, Binny's will hold it for you. Do you know how hard and time consuming it is to keep lists for all rare beers? Hopslam, Hoptimum, 4 variations of Bourbon County Stout, Gumballhead, etc, etc, etc.
ReplyDelete2. If you took the time to look at case prices on Binny's price markers, you would notice that, yes, many beers do have a case discount. While it is not all of them, such as Bud and Miller products, many of the craft, imports, and "better" beer do have case discounts already built into the price.
3. Why can't beer earn points like wine? This is currently something Binny's is looking at and will probably be a reality sometime in the future.
It is people like you that ruin beer for all of us. Binny's tries hard to be a premier beer program, carrying beers from every end of the United States and world. It is not easy. Give them a break.
In response to the Anonymous comment:
ReplyDeleteIf you read this post http://bit.ly/hcppvH you would know that not all Binny's or their employees allow this. I am curious to know how a non-Binny's person can claim they know Binny's pricing and anticipate a point program.
I agree Binny's does a great job pulling in beer. What I do not understand is how am I ruining beer? I asked Binny's for a corporate policy on reservations weeks ago, and that is something they are looking into. I am not a cheerleader, and places can come to my blog for positive and negative feedback. Unfortunately, several bad experiences lead to bad reviews. Want a good review see my post on Andersonville Wine and Spirits or Firestone Walker.
Thank you for your comments, and thanks for making Binny's the second store review on verysmallbeer.com. As I have said before, if I can ever help with anything, you have my contact information.
ReplyDelete1 – We leave the sales of limited-release beers to each store. This is consistent with wine; outside of our regulated Bordeaux futures program, we give our stores this autonomy. Binny's has 25 locations, each unique. The policy that would work for one store would not for another.
2 - As Anonymous points out, we do offer many of our craft offerings at a case discount.
3 – That said, Beer is changing in exciting ways. Until recently, most of the the beer we sold was by the case – 24 packs of major national brands at highly competitive prices. Understand that this pricing structure leaves no room for further discounting. As craft beer grows in popularity, we are considering ways to include beer in our rewards system. Your comments will be helpful in this conversation.
Thanks again, and you know how to reach me.
With the following comment "It is people like you that ruin beer for all of us." What? Craft beer is not going to be hurt from questioning a stores sale policy. Government regulation and lack of creativity is the only things that could hurt craft beer.
ReplyDeleteI am not around any Benny's but if I have to buy one case of the same beer for a discount I would not do it. I would rather buy 4 different six packs to get variety.
I also think it is strange that a store does not have the same policies. Banks, restaurants and big box stores have many locations all with the same policies.
I prefer to shop small independent stores. it is the hippy in me. When I have shopped Binny's it feels very "Big Box Store" like. The employees are not well informed, prices are high and the selection is dependent on the "big box" distributor. A few years ago the Chicago Big Box Distributer had an issue with the Michigan distributer which resulted in Michigan Beers not being available in Chicago. For a store who prides itself on a large selection to exclude an entire state of beer is horrible.
ReplyDeleteSeveral comments:
ReplyDelete- Overall Binny's is pretty darn good for a chain, but any place has room for improvement.
- I think each place being slightly different isn't a bad idea. The Niles location has a large Polish community so it makes sense they would have a larger Polish selection. This way each location can gear themselves to their clientele. Overall each location has improved. The Des Plaines location used to suck, but now it is very good.
- Downtown location is a old Zimmerman's liquor store. Not much they can do about parking down there. Never been impressed with that location anyway.
- You seem to imply that Binny's took over Sam's. They did because Sam's was mismanaged by the folks who had bought Sam's from the original owners and were going under. Two Sam's locations closed before Binny's bought the other two locations.
- Can't argue about the corporate website which never impressed me. If I want something ordered I always contact a location.
- Binny's is a liquor store, not a beer store. Can't expect everyone there to know everything. I went to the Skokie location on Tuesday and talked to their beer guy and as of that day they didn't have Hoptimum. Plus I've dealt with several folks at the Skokie Binny's and I've had good luck with several folks. As in any place there are good employees and bad.
- I agree not getting points for beer purchases suck.
- Binny's is my #2 location for beer purchases. West Lakeview Liquors is #1 for me. DiCarlo's in Mundelein #3 and Dobby's in Palatine #4.
- Each location has a different reservation policy. So do and some don't. I don't blame locations that don't since reserving can be a pain, especially if folks don't pickup their reservations.
There is probably something I'm missing, but that's enough for now.
P.S. I don't think you are ruining the beer industry.
to the guy who complained about "big box" distributors - everybody in the state deals with the same distributors. the distributor who carries smirnoff deals with every grocery store, liquor store, restaurant in the state that sells smirnoff. beer is a little different because the distributors cover areas instead of teh whole state but its still the same - every place that sells the same kind of beer has to buy it from the same distributor.
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